FQ 340 vs E55 AMG

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Amazingly this is not just a link to U-tube but a little incident that happened to me recently.

Now, I know this is a Subaru website but I thought a story for all who enjoy four wheel drive turbo nut mobiles wouldn't be completely unwelcome. In any event, my last post comparing the Evo to my RB5 went down very well and concluded that subjectively there was not a huge amount between the cars, so the comparison has some relevance to scooby drivers.

Anyway, I was recently making my way peacefully around the M50 late one evening. I came on at the Red Cow heading south, nothing special or unusual, gave it a bit of stick down the off ramp as it was clear and pulled onto the M50 and then out into the fast lane to clear some slower traffic. About a half a mile in I had to slow for some muppets in the fast lane doing fifty, no brakes required, just down the gears.

Next thing I see a guy coming down on me at serious speed, who stops just short of my boot. Anyway, I was slightly alarmed at the pace this guy came up on me at but he quickly backed off to a safe distance so I assumed he was just changing channel on the radio or whatever and had failed to spot me as I had gone down through the gears and therefore, no brake lights.

The two boys in front kept doing fifty and took an absolute age to get around the slower traffic on the inside lane, and, needless to say, stayed in the outside lane after clearing the slower cars (why?). I stayed well back and your man behind did the same so I quickly forgot about him. After patiently waiting for the two boys to pull back in I gave a little flash of the lights to persuade them to pull over, but to no avail. I could see ahead that there was another line of cars coming up in the inside lane and the two boys had no intention of pulling in. Nothing for it then but to go up the inside, which I HATE having to do. Honestly, these punters must think it's called the M50 because they think that's the speed limit on the fooking thing.

In I go, not gunning it, just giving it enough pace to clear safely and comfortably up the inside before meeitng the next line of cars in the left lane. I pass the two boys and pull out to the sound of blaring horns.

Now, this annoys me, I am sick of Mr Self Righteous dawdling in the overtaking lane and flashing and honking everybody who is forced up their inside in order to make progress, so I have a glance in the rear view mirror and prepare to deliver the customary response when I realise all I can see in the mirror is a black saloon car being driven by a guy in blue shirt and navy tie. This guy is so close his headlights aren't visible over my bootlid.

All I can think is bollox, Plod, ba*tard had a close look then waited for me to do something illegal, like overtake on the left, bollox.

So I do the usual indicate, and politely pull into the slow lane and wait for the Mondeo to come alongside and point me into the hedge.

However, to my surprise, this thing just roars past me so quickly my brain is just about capable of spotting the four exhausts on the rear of what turns out to be a black E class. I don't give chase, I'm still somewhat chastened by my belief that I've just been nicked. However, not a half a mile further up, another muppet is blocking the outside lane and there he is, 05 E55 AMG.

Now, I'm not a man for racing, and never on the public road, but I don't mind a nice legal pull from a slow speed on a clear motorway, it is about the only safe and legal fun you can have in a car, other than the fun of just driving itself.

This is about the best opportunity one could have to test the car against one of the fastest cars around.

The dawdling muppet is crawling past three very slow and heavily laden trucks carrying wide loads and orange flashing lights. We're doing about 40, maybe a bit under, and your man is chomping at the bit, he's seen me and he is determined. The poor crawler dosen't know what's going on, this guy is practically touching him. Ridiculous, obnoxious driving from your man and counter productive as the poor guy was obviously struggling as it was, last thing he needed was his mirrors full of Merc, so he's actually at the brakes.

Anyway, I had an age to get ready for the inevitable run. I was trying to decide how to approach it, I was out of the turbo in fourth, not by much, but enough and third was a bit uncomfortable waiting for your man to clear in front. Also, I was maintaining a good distance back, and I was wondering should I try and slip him or stay where I was. Ideally what I wanted to do was to pull alongside and do it properly, but I knew this guy wouldn't hang about.

In the end I figured what I wanted to do was see how the cars compared in real driving so I decided I'd hang back so as not to slip him and go for a single gear pull, I opted for fourth as I wanted to see how the cars compared torque wise. Remember, the E55 has 516 Lbs/ft from its supercharged V8 to my 320 and while its lugging 1750 kg to my 1400, all the reviewers raved about its massive in-gear grunt and I wanted to see how the Evo compared.

We finally cleared the last truck and your man starts to pull over, I go for it, hoping to have the turbo spinning by the time your man clears. Mr Merc however has had the same idea and, I'm not joking, actually puts one wheel on the grass he is so keen to be off. The result is, he actually pulls a bit out of me on reaction time but we're still about the same distance apart clearing the traffic, but now at least my turbo is coming on strong.

Now, I've heard some noises in my time, but all hell breaks lose when that V8 is opened up. Unreal. That noise combined with the hurricane force wind it seems to throw back out of the quad tailpipes really is something to behold, so too are the bits of tarmac that the massive rear tyres rip up and fire back at you.

What is more surprising is that it is not pulling away from me. I'm far enough away not to be gettting any aerodynamic assistance so he should be gone, in fact, I wish he would be gone as I'm also not far enough away to be spared the debris his tyres are firing everywhere and am starting to worry about my paintwork.

Anyway we continue, I see a little puff of some smoke as his box grabs another one of its seven speeds. What I don't see is any relent in its acceleration. Obviously, when he gunned it the box dropped a couple of cogs and now it was going back up through the gears. Now, I'm still only about two thirds through fourth when he's changing but I can tell you that that auto box or paddle shift (if he was doing it himself which I doubt) is uber fast. So much quicker than any manual. None of that twenty feet fall off that usually accompanies a shift in a pull (usually punctuated by the hiss of the dump valve in the glanza that you can now hardly see in your mirrors).

After the shift he did start to make some ground, but not much and I was starting to run out off gear. I was really tempted to grab fifth and go again but sense prevailed and I backed off, short shifting into sixth and letting your man disappear, which he did at a frightening rate of knots. I watched him disappear up the road before passing a line of traffic on his left at what must have been 120 plus, not a bother, I'd say he was doing 150 before he was forced to back off for slower traffic, crazy motherfooker. It took me an age to catch up at a normal speed.

As it happened we were both getting out at the next exit so there was a bit of shorter gear fun before we hit a built up area and I let him off, once again watching him disappear at stupid speed.

In the end, yes the E55 is ultimately a quicker car in gear and in a straight line than the Evo, but not by much, and certainly not by as much as the 516 lb/ft would suggest. Subjectively, a passenger would be utterly unable to tell the difference. As a driver, it would be an entirely different experience I'm sure, but for the money, it can't be worth it.

I'd say head to head, the RB5 would have struggled a bit more, but again, I'd say there wouldn't be a whole lot in it on the road and nothing at all subjectively. In fact, the longer gearing might have helped in a single gear pull, although I'd have been over the ton at the end.

Anyway. there are three points to this essay:

1. These cars of ours really are special.

2. Boy racers and crazy fookers also drive Mercs.

3. There is nothing on telly tonight.
 
:thumbsup:

I was wondering how long it would be before you had the urge to write another good read :thumbsup:
I think we'll keep all your posts like this and put them in our Yearbook :D

Fair play to ya :subaru:

Alan.
 
great rightup once again rb5 or should i say fooking quick340, no.2,boy racers crazy fookers also drive mercs :headbanger:
 
Super read dont leave it to long till the next time :thumbsup:
Seen your evo at mondello sounds like a jet taking off.
 
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someone must have done well in english at school!
great read :thumbsup:
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Maybe, but the spelling mistakes are terrible :D
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After the shift he did start to make some ground, but not much and I was starting to run out off gear. [/quote]

Great read Oisin, I could nearly hear the noise off that Merc when i was reading it! :thumbsup:
 
Good man Nodge, I make one spelling mistake in over a thousand words and you find it.

Sadly, you managed to make one yourself in the less than ten words you took to point it out. Is that a lower case 'i' I see in your post? Tut tut.

Actually, I'm amazed there aren't a few more, I never use spell check or proof read posts, usually they're riddled with errors.

Thanks for the kind words. Has anybody else come up against any exotica recently?

I'm always amazed at how rarely you come up against anybody other than other Scoobishis or Glanzas etc., somebody must have had a crack at Porsche, M3, or other AMG at some point.
 
Hey Oisin,
Why don't you drop your CV over to the BBC,
It's about time Top Gear had some new blood :D :D

As for having a blast with top marques, i often get a quick
run at the lights witch, unfortunitly (bar porsche) is where
these car's are at their slowest and not much competion for the short
gear ratio of a TypeR. I've only ever had a good competive run ;) once
and that was with Gavin in his Skyline GTr33 ?? (the 2.6 twin turbo version).

With out going into too much detail :p :p it was very close nothing in it to a certain
point then i was left for dust all in all i was very happy with the first 4 gears and the
first 5,000 rev's in fifth ................unfortunitly Gavin's car was only warming up at that stage :shock: :shock:
:subaru:

Niall.
 
fook sake....havent read that much in years...so many big words im not used to lol

worth the read though!!!!!! :subaru:
 
Jees Oisin
The last book i read was Ann and Barry,only because it had big letters and alot of pictures,took me 2 sittings to read your report.
I posted a while back about scooby vs M3 AND SCOOBY RAN OUT A COMFORTABLE WINNER.I think you also wrote an essay reply about the bhp of 321 was impressive but not so for the torque ,if i remember was about 250-260
Alan
 
Hi Oisin. Great article there and it certainly brings back memories of a dice I had in my last Scoob with an SL 55 AMG from Trim to the Trim-Dublin intersection (called "The Black Bull" for anyone who knows it). The Trim- Dublin road is home of one the rarest wonders of modern Irish Motoring. It combines long straights, smooth surface and terrific bends that offer clear views of the road ahead and, more importantly, plod trying to hide behind a blade of grass. I' not going to go into anything like the excellent detail you did but, well, the excitement is in the details isn't it!

I was late for the airport on a Friday morning about 4 years ago. My girlfriend at the time lived in Edinburgh so it was the usual monthly trip to chastise the Ryanair check in desk girls and then engage in a spot of something the opposite of chastity when I met up with my girlfriend at her place on the other side, but that's not important right now...(as The Naked Gun's Lt. Frank Dreber would say!).

I really needed to make up time and decided to throw all caution to the wind, figuring that the chances of getting caught speeding were slim at the post 10am commute hour. Just as I left Trim and started to open her up I had to grab hard on the steering wheel as the car shook violently as if sideswiped by one of those mysterious gusts of wind that I think all of us have experienced at one time or another along open sections of road not bordered by trees or ditches. As you might imagine the SL 500 AMG that had just send my heart racing was now doing a reasonable impression of an F16 being catapulted off an aircraft carrier in front of me.

I paused to give some deep and meaningful consideration to what had happened, whilst simultaneously dropping 2 gears and introducing Mr Accelerator to Mrs Carpet in a move that would make Superman's outfit changing look like a pensioner trying to do up 16 hole Doc Martins. When my brain finally decided the best course of action was to give chase it dawned on me that I might actually be possessed by some evil alter ego as I was already inching closer and closer to the AMG, the heavy German barge struggling to carry its huge speed through the switchback series of bends in a section of the road which I swear the designers of Spa Francochamp's famous bend "Eau Rouge" must have taken inspiration from.

What I knew more than anything was that I must pass that Merc and in doing so I would not only be at the Airport in time but I also might still feel the warming glow of satisfaction that all such Goliath slaying Davids must have felt down through the ages. What I also realised was there was only one way past this Supercharged cannon and that was by overtaking him at the entry to a beautiful section of road topped and tailed by two of the finest cambered but relatively tight bends (at speed anyway) just 2 miles short of Batterstown.

As we both approached these bends I backed off about 50 feet to give me the run I needed. Everything hinged on my hope that the pilot ahead would lift for the first bend and I would thunder past "doing zee maximum velocity fur und non German mode of conveyance"! As luck would have it he did something quite unexpected altogether. He must have realised what I was planning because if anything my 50 feet gap quickly turned into 100 feet as four black puffs of burnt fuel shot violently from his shiny chrome Fcuk You tail pipes!

When I said "as luck would have it", that luck arrived in the form of the Executive Luxo Barge now entering the first of the two bends at speeds that would even make Colin Mc Rae reach for the toilet paper. The next thing I saw was the sudden glow of his gorgeous brake lights, red and full of fury as the huge stoppers struggled to shed the car's enormas weight. I'd love to have seen what must have been going on inside his cockpit.....terror, cold sweat, adrenaline and every conceivable anti slip this, active diff that straining to the limit to get two tonnes of V8 Supercharged Road-Rocked around the first bend. His dash must have lit up like a tinkers face at the Ballinasloe horse fair!

Mind you, it wasn't the first bend that really worried me the most. You see the same pendulum effect that topples the tallest of Off Roaders in motorway emergency lane changes, would bring the same forces to bear on my German DTM pilot in front. By some miracle of automotive electronic trickery he managed, only just, to make it around the first bend. Seizing my opportunity and deciding that it was always preferable to watch a really huge accident in my rear view mirror, I stomped home the poor battered accelerator once more and went for it.

Remarkably, as I sailed by, I had a split second to flick a glance sideways at my seriously worried, arms flailing, AMG piloting nut Job. As I pulled ahead I looked back to see him use all the road and I mean ALL and most of the grass margin as well to straighten her out, but fair dues to him, or maybe some computer boffin in Stuttgart, but he managed not to have to meet St Peter or tow truck driver after all. As I was shortly about to find out this wasn't the last I would see of him. This nut job just wouldn't quit!

About one minute up the road, as I was coming on to the last decent straight before another two miles of open bends connected by short smooth straights I heard a roar, firstly behind me and then, almost instantly, right beside me as psycho tried to pass me, his Nut Mobile throwing up a rooster tails of the muck and grass he had only shortly before dressed his tyres with. As we both approached the end of the straight I decided to back off and let him in. I was happy that I had at least passed him once however, it seemed he had exactly the same idea and we both slowed side by side entering the bend. I gunned it and just jumped in ahead of him. I pulled away on the bendy sections but, like a yo yo, he quickly reeled me in on every one of the short interconnecting straights.

Finally we came to the junction of the Trim-Dublin road. I pulled out and watched as he was caught by other traffic before he could burst out onto the main flow of traffic. In true turbo-utter-nutter fashion he immediately began the process of firing past every car in his sights until once again his front lip spoiler was kissing Scooby's rear! We had one last dice on the Clonee By Pass where I held on to him until about 110 after which his vastly superior power allowed him to glide away effortlessly into the distance. I did get to the airport on time. I was even nice to the Ryanair staff and my Girlfriend, to this day, still thinks she was the one that put that week long smile on my face!

As Oisin would conclude, there are only really three pearls of wisdom one can take from this kind of madness:

1. Sometimes, against your better nature, you just have to go for it and feck the consequences.
2. Like the fox, if you're not strong, it's better to be clever.
3. And finally who am I kidding, it may have been the dice with the AMG that got me smiling but it was definitely the 48 hours of good lovin that kept it there!

PS. As I will be taking delivery of my asexual Audi TT next week I thought I'd write this e mail to commit to writing just one of the many many happy days I had with my Scooby. They are truly magnificent cars and I will sadly miss her.............but the rest of you ain't getting rid of me off this site that easily :subaru:

Frawls
 
well there,s two presenters for the irish version of top gear, just one more now lads , just kidding good read.  :lol: :D 
 
Jesus Christ Frawls, by the sound of that you were taking it easy at Mondello the last day.

I know that stretch well and have often had to blast along on those days where I'm supposed to be in two places at the one time, if you know what I mean (I never double job, honest). It's an animal of a road, and that was an animal of an incident. I've always wanted to come up behind something like that and badger them into submission but I've never had the opportunity to take a proper scalp. Also, I'd never have the balls to go for the overtake against something like that, even on the track I'd think twice.

I did once come up behind a Boxster S going west one time, on a stretch of road I know very well. The Boxster pulled out from a pub at the end of a town before a stretch of country road, it was at night and he had no idea what I was, just another set of head lights in his mirrors. He had a passenger with him and I guessed by the way he was gesturing to his passenger (all I could see was this hand waving about through the tiny rear screen) and the manner of his driving that he was going to give the guy a demonstration of how magnificent his car was. Anyway, it took a few hundred yards to clear the last street lights and houses and we hit the derestriction sign at the start of good long straight. Mr Boxster S gunned it up the straight and I gave chase, needless to say I stayed right with him, which was obviously a bit of a surprise and disappointment for Mr BS.

After the straight there is a section of some of the finest, smooth and twisty roads anywhere in Ireland. A road where Colin McRae would struggle to break the speed limit of 60, as it was then. It's nowhere near as wide or inviting as the Trim Road, but instead is real Impreza Country and a road I know very, very well. Mr BS was really determined to shake me off and was absolutely going for it through the curves. Unfortunately for Mr BS, he had no idea I was driving an RB5 and that I knew the road a LOT better than he did.

Clearly however, I was taking the wind out of his sails in front of his passenger, so he was not going to back off. The result was some truly hamfisted driving where he was waiting for the road to open up in front before gunning out of the corners and hammering up the straights followed by then out-braking himself into all of the subsequent corners. Without going in anyway properly quickly, this guy was in serious danger of losing it all times.

Anyway, I knew that there was a big open straight at the end of about three corners ahead so I decided I'd go for it at that point and in the meantime I would apply some pressure over the last stretch leading up to it. I had been maintaining a constant and fairly safe distance back while making sure he knew I was there. Over the last couple of corners, I shadowed him completely, which was really really easy in fact. I was under no pressure at all, the AP six pots had hardly warmed up and the engine wasn't in anyway stretched. Meanwhile Mr BS was struggling, he seemed to be all the time in the wrong gear, and obviously was really sweating as he was reacting to the road as it came at him rather than driving a road he knew, as I was.

Coming into the last corner, he braked late once again and unsettled the rear, I followed in deep and on line and watched him drfit wide. As we came through the apex of the corner he was still trying to tidy her up and I saw my opportunity to make my move as the other lane was clear. I was perfectly positioned, in the turbo in second, and properly hooked up. Mr BS saw me going for it and I could hear the howl from his six cylinders as he tried to hold me off.

Sadly it was too late for the Porsche, I had the run I needed and my torque advantage at that point in the gear was always going to be too much for it. I grabbed third and was gone, bye bye.

In fairness, he stayed with me down the rest of the straight, those Porsches are not slow, but when we started back on the twisties it didn't take long before he gave up. At first he was able to keep up, following my lines but it wasn't long before he missed a braking point or a gear or both and fell away.

Not a great scalp I know, you'd expect to be quicker cross-country than a Boxster, put I'd love to know what Mr BS said to his passenger as a seven year old €16k saloon car passed his fairly new €80k odd Porker. I would love an opportunity to come against its big brother sometime on the same road, now that would be a scalp.

Conclusions:

1. Imprezas are damn quick and easy to drive cross-country.

2. A little local knowledge is a great thing.

3. There's no way Frawls is going to be able to stay away for long.
 
Hi Oisin. Having driven Scoobs for over seven years now and being a confirmed Golf GTi hater, I am really wondering if I've done the right thing buying the TT but I just felt it was time for a change and in fairness when I drove the car I was really impressed with its unbelievable low down torque and in-gear over taking ability. In a straight line it is no slouch either but a Scooby with its 4wd will lick it off the line. Up and running though it would be a close run thing. There's NO lag whatsoever in the TT as it runs an unusually high compression ratio for a forced induction car, which is made possible by the stratified fuel injection patented by Audi. The handling is superb and I've upgraded to 18 inch 245 Conti Sports so grip levels should be fantastic in the dry for a front wheeler.

I will, of course, be keeping a close eye on the new EVO X and next years new STI. What I'd really love is a TYPE 25 Impreza but at £36k I dont think so. That's 3 year old Porsche 911 4S territory and that would be my dream car even if the TYPE 25 is actually a lot faster!

I've scalped quite a few cars on that Trim road over the last seven years but more interesting is what kind of cars have scalped me! I was once passed by an "Organ Donor" in a supped up Mk II Golf GTi complete with 4 scum bags on board and I had to resort to desperate tactics (a short cut!) to get by him. When they finally caught up to me on the Clonee bypass they couldn't understand how I'd gotten ahead. I think their brain cells were pooled and they came up with the conclusion that I must have some kind of time machine in the boot. The thing is, if I really had a time machine, I would have dropped them back to the 70's where they belonged with their mullets and "Kiss" T shirts.

As regards the Boxter S, it is a fast car, no mistake. Its arse-engined-hammer configuration lets it put all 276 horses down as well as any 4wd car. I saw a Cayman recently lay down two black lines of the finest Bridgestone vintage in Castleknock, presumably for my benefit as I was stopped at the lights beside Myos pub. It sounded fantastic and it looked really fast. The funny thing is none of these cars have ever looked impressive at the drag racing day I was at in Mondello a few years ago. The Ferrari 360 Modena, complete with launch control, was laid to waste by Trackday Performance's Skyline R34 time and again. The other German autobahn expresses were all blasted into the weeds by the Subarus and Mitsis.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'm less interested in bhp any more. I dont want to be constantly rowing through the gears. Torque is where the party's at and the guest of honour at that particular party is the turbo diesel, especially the BMW 335d. This car is the cream of the present crop of high performance derv drinkers. Would I buy one? No! Well…. Maybe, but not until I win the lotto and even then not until a TDi sounds less like a cement mixer full of bolts and more like Rothwiler who's balls I've just accidentally stepped on. In either case, both of them are going to be moving very fast shortly after the first shriek has past!

Frawls
 
holy sh1te lads,my eye are fooked.You lads should spend more time on this site,beats the usual,
welcome abroad mate,
what ye drivin
like your wheels etc as poasted by myself aswell

I would read posts like these all day long and it would encourage anybody to log in more often.

Well done and keep it coming
Alan
 
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