NCT should not be taken as gospel, says leading car assessor

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NCT tests are the bare minimum check of roadworthiness and shouldn’t be taken as gospel, a leading car safety assessor has warned after an RTE expose revealed disturbing flaws in the State car testing system.


Cars passing the National Car Test (NCT), which should have failed, dangerously corroded bodies and concerns over the effectiveness of tests on shock absorbers were among the issues raised in “Testing the Limits” a documentary by the RTE Investigations Unit which aired on Prime Time tonight.

“I think it’s a wake-up call,” Liam Cotter, consulting motor engineer assessor told the Irish Independent.
The programme revealed that a 17-year-old car driven by Amanda O’Flaherty that suddenly went out of control before crashing into an oncoming car killing the 26-year-old novice driver, had passed an NCT test seven months before the accident in 2012.
Yet during an inquest into the Cork woman’s death, a Garda vehicle inspector stated the car was “not in a roadworthy condition prior to the collision” because the two rear shock absorbers “were leaking an excessive amount of oil.” The result was the car was “very unstable before and during cornering.”
The tragic accident highlighted what Paul Young, a lecturer at DCU’s Department of Mechanical Engineering, claimed is a flaw in the current testing procedures used by the NCT to test a car’s suspension which he said is “not actually testing for the performance of the shock absorber itself.”
The programme also revealed that some cars that are badly rusted or corroded are still passing an NCT, which Moyagh Murdoch, chief executive of the Road Safety Authority (RSA) which is responsible for the tests, admitted could be done:
“If it is not visible to the inspector or if it has been covered up with a good underbody sealant you will be able to cheat the NCT,” she said.
“We are not permitted to damage the car during an NCT and unfortunately people will try and mask corrosion with a very good polish up and isopon,” she said. “It is an area of concern.”
The programme also highlighted “considerable inconsistencies between some of the 47 test centres around Ireland, where pass rates can differ dramatically from centre to centre.”
It cited examples in which a pre-NCT test revealed concerns over a car’s braking and suspension systems and a missing wing mirror, yet these were not picked up in the test.
In another case, a car with oil leaks, corroded brake lines and a badly repaired chassis passed the test.
Mr Cotter said the flaws revealed in the programme should drive home the message that NCT tests are “a bare minimum legal requirement” and “isn’t a snapshot of how good a car is.”
“It just says it’s legally sound and is not a replacement for normal servicing.
RSA spokesman Brian Farrell agreed that the NCT is not a substitute for proper maintenance.
But he insisted the NCT is “completely reliable.”
“The NCT test in every country in Europe is governed by the same EU Directive. The NCT in Ireland complies one hundred per cent with every requirement of the EU Directive. But in addition, the NCT in Ireland goes above and beyond the requirements of the Directive and is internationally recognised as one of the best tests – if not the best – in Europe,” he said.
He added the RSA is “satisfied that Amanda O’Flaherty’s car was tested correctly at the NCT seven months previously, that the results of the test were unremarkable and would not have given an NCT inspector any cause for alarm. “




Source - http://www.independent.ie/life/moto...ospel-says-leading-car-assessor-34649297.html


Prime Time - http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/rte-investigations-unit-30002905/10562949/?ap=1


 

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havent watched it yet
ill watch tomorrow
Id hate to be getting my car tested over next few days
Feck all yellow paper out the printer this week only the white sheets id say :facepalm:
 
It is nonsense. Any Garda or Judge will tell you it only means it was worthy at time of test. That's how NCT cover their hole. "Well it was fine when we looked at it."

You could drive 10 minutes down the road straight after passing a test and have a defect that a garda will spot, seize the car, give it to a PSV inspector and there'd be more found.
 
have a very good example of this myself 2 weeks ago

bought a jeep with a fail sheet for seatbelt being ripped all else passed (mileage 178800)

put car through nct at 179,200 and it failed on two tyres two balljoints and a bonnet clip (no mention of seatbelt issue from first test)

completely inconsistent...

put a golf in other day with cracked headlight crack is full way through entire length of headlight nearly yet wasnt picked up for test at all was missin a back light so would be missin a light at night time didnt pick up on that either...

when i put through the subaru they spent more time callin over other testers for a look then they did checking the car haha their sound lads in centre down here usually polite but the entire process needs to be changed and needs to be a supervisor on the floor inspecting cars quickly just makin sure nothing important slips by
 
Just do like UK
Repairs carried out on site therefore eliminating the whole
fix that and bring it back
no mention of that and fail other stuff (Usually bad testing bye a junior)
Have had it happen myself
Its crazy
I know a member on here who spent a grand on his car to then discover it wasnt the problem in the first place
NCT Tests road safety is over highlighted in this country
Far more peole die from liver alcohol related ilnesses for example but road safety theres good money in fines
If we where serious about road safety well then surely we would have a more elaborate driving test to start with
its all about your money and how to extract as much as possiblle of it unfortunately these days it seems ,to me anyway
 
Undoubtedly issues with the NCT setup - individual cases etc.
Anyone dealing with them for any length will have war-stories of failed cars that were fine and bad cars that were passed etc. :icon_hang: In all fairness hard to have 100% consistency if you look at the sheer numbers tested.

BTW, the issue with garages doing both NCT and the repairs is stuff being "failed" to drum up some nice repair bills to charge the customers. See it abroad all the time and hence not sure I'd be in favour of that. Just need better consistency in the testing and how it is applied, but I would agree the system in Ireland is not the worst by a long shot.


Separate from the NCT process... What is just as worrying, and drives me insane, is the general attitude of Joe or Josephine Public. They service and get maintenance done to their vehicles according to the "NCT Service and Maintenance Schedule". --> read:"when it fails the NCT on something you get it looked at and otherwise don't spend a penny on the car - cos driving is dear enough as it is" type attitude. :banghead:

In the case of the example the NCT was 7 months prior to the accident... How could anyone say that because at the point in time (7 months ago) the car passed NCT, that it still is safe now and nothing has worn or broken over 7 months' worth of driving?

Bold tyres, dangerously under-inflated tyres, steel on steel worn brake pads, cracked brake lines, ball-joints falling out, piston rings gone and using oil in mpg figures... and more such like... and when you point out the issues they shrug their shoulders and say "but there's NCT on it - do I really need to get that fixed now or can it wait till the NCT is due again?" Bleedin' Muppets, the lot of them, who shouldn't be given the privilege of owning and driving a car. :new_cussing:

A good campaign to (re)educate the public that an NCT means nothing other than you need to have a valid one on your car. That at all times, valid NCT or not, your car needs to be 100% roadworthy or you are liable for fines, points, and possibly man-slaughter charges if something really bad happens due to a defect related to worn tyres / brakes etc. It's going that way now with the new tyre thread campaign of the RSA / Gards. A nicely graphic campaign, with some "mother of 2" in the dock up on man-slaughter charges because her car was not roadworthy and directly contributed to a road-death, might just start the process of getting the message through to some and change their attitude towards keeping their car in a roadworthy condition.

.... AND breathhhheeee... Apologies to all... rant over now. :icon_redface:
 
From working in a garage now, I see everything that goes on. Our DOE testing is rigorous but we also repair the vehicle for them to pass it again. If work is being carried out on a car and the mechanics spot something else that may want to be addressed the customer is called and asked if they want to proceed with the extra repairs.

As Charles said, the NCT is just a piece of paper. Some people hear that they need new brake pads and they go mental and have a fit. Seen some cars even come in with next to no oil in them. Don't even know how their cars are even able to drive.

Had a car in this week that was due first service. Although a simple, oil change, sump washer, oil filter and a bottle of windscreen wash, she has doubts about spending the money.
 
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Course most Irish as miserible as fook when it comes to cars and just think everyone is trying to rip them off.

Just look at the sea of misery in any car park

Silver corolla, white i20, dark blue passat,kia ect ????????

Early morning rant over????



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Just came from NCT - had to take my windshield dark strip tinting off. Could not find anything else on the car, so found at least this... not even mentioning, it passed last year no problem... ***** ****heads...
 
My friends accord passed on Thursday with a seized rear caliper and 2 blown bulbs.
 
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