Applegreen E5 Fuel.

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So I read all the info about Maxoil's E5 Biofuel and it's RON rating.I use it when I can but I see that Applegreen are now doing E5. Has anyone been using it?
What do you think? Maxoil stations are few and far between and there's a Applegreen on the way home for me in Enfield.
Wonder if it's worth a shot. Good price too.
Cheers,
 
Yep I can't find anything about it being the higher RON rating on the website and usually the staff don't seem to know about it either.
If that's the case I won't bother until I know more.
Cheers,
 
I use Applegreen fuel in my wrx. And I'm not sure if its my head of not but I'm convinced I get better milage with it.
 
I had an Evo 7 that I imported and when it was mapped for 95 I was told the use Maxoil E5 so I just carried on using it when i got my 02 WRX. I was at applegreen with my wife's car and i noticed it said E5 on the pump.Applegreen seem to be the cheapest at the moment that's why I was wondering if its rated at 99RON the same as Maxoil claim.
My car seems to run well on the Maxoil E5 but sometimes it's tricky to get to the station in town.
 
I've been saying that for 3 years too
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I use Applegreen fuel in my wrx. And I'm not sure if its my head of not but I'm convinced I get better milage with it.
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See a couple of links to other posts on Applegreen:

http://isdc.ie/discussion/index.php?topic=22510.0 See Brian's post 3/4 down on page 1

http://isdc.ie/discussion/index.php?topic=36204.msg414894#msg414894 near bottom is a post with an email response from Applegreen confirming it is only RON95.

Maxol is the best we can get at about 97.5-99 RON (not always the same - got numbers so time ago from another forum post). The big issue is that there are quite a few Maxol branded stations not selling Maxol E5 fuel, but cheap stuff they buy elsewhere. Unless you know a certain Maxol station to be good and sell the right stuff... the safest is to either map your car for pure 95RON, or just resign yourself to using a booster like NF.
 
I was told recently by a Maxxol employee that all petrol sold in Ireland is E5, it is supposed to be the requirement of the EU that all petrol sold contains 5% bioethanol, they want to bring it up to 10% over next few years.

So what is Maxxol putting into their e5 to make it supposed 99 octane?

If you do the simple maths you'd need to mix Bioethanol(104) and 95 unleaded at almost 50/50 ratio to achieve 99 octane rating? Or am I calculating it wrong?

Best idea would be to get few samples of Petrol from different petrol station and test them in the lab.
 
from what i have seen a few Maxols i use a lot no longer have E5 markings on the pumps, just says "unleaded" now, i also have seen a bit more activity on my knock detector is the last few tank fulls. I think i email them again and ask them is their stuff still rated at 99.
 
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from what i have seen a few Maxols i use a lot no longer have E5 markings on the pumps, just says "unleaded" now,
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that is possibly because all petrol now sold is E5, so there is no difference?

but maxxol couldn't be 99 octane if its only using 5% bioethanol, more like 95.9 ?
 
Don't think it was ever truly 99, few mappers had said it reacted more like UK 97. And yes, have been told that all petrol s E5 now, sure they all take it from the same pumps in the docks, just choose their own additives.
 
Re: Re: Applegreen E5 Fuel.

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Don't think it was ever truly 99, few mappers had said it reacted more like UK 97. And yes, have been told that all petrol s E5 now, sure they all take it from the same pumps in the docks, just choose their own additives.
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Yeah Simon jgm said the same to me when he mapped my car

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I personally don't think any fuel in Ireland is even 95 let alone 99 that's why I think cars should be mapped on 95 then you don't have any issues with fuel albeit for the sake of 10-15 bhp which is meaningless
 
I cannot comment on the applegreen petrol, but their Diesel is tripe. On the same Journey pulling the same weight and driven in the same manner applegreen fuel returns less MPG than Texaco or Topaz. I was keeping an eye on MPG on that Job as the rate was rubbish and when I Filled in Applegreen on the M4 I couldn't getover the difference in the Milage. As a haulier I wouldnt stick an applegreen nozzle in any tank of mine ever again regardless of what price it was.
Cheers
John
 
Are Maxol no legally obliged to give out a spec sheet on their petrol I spoke to a manager about 3 years ago when Maxol opened their station in Rochfortbridge and she assured me that they were using E5 so who do you believe I have my car mapped to run on E5 so have I being doing harm to the engine or running a high risk of blowing engine ?
 
Dan, it will be interesting to see what they come back with.

I can deffo confirm that my previous STI v3 ran MUCH better on Maxol E5, as did my WRX SL and my MINI JCW, that said, might still be only 97RON.
Definitely Applegreen is only RON95 (at best) and no better than anything you can get at branded forecourts.

Pablo, (bio)ethanol is about 108.5RON, so to calculate mathematically: (95*95)+(5*108.5)=9567/100= RON95.6
-- however, it's not quite that simple as apparently the chemical properties mean results aren't 100% linear.
e.g. NF booster full bottle on a tank should give you +3 or +6 on a full tank (Red or Black bottle), however, putting in a half bottle will give you more than +1.5 or +3, and putting in two bottle does NOT give you +6 or +12.
Another big influencer is the stock fuel you started with: e.g. if you start with RON92 then NF booster will give you close to +4 or +7 on a tank, but start with RON98 and you will only see about +1.5 or +3.5 hike in RON.

Legally all fuel should meet the minimum RON95 standard in Europe, including Ireland. As we all know, fuel can go "stale" and lose RON when it's sitting around too long. This is factored in to some extend by suppliers (well the reputable ones like Maxol, Texaco, Topaz, ESSO, etc). Hence very fresh fuel will typically be in the range of RON95.2-95.6 depending on brand, which will deteriorate over time. If left long enough it will go down by several points. Then of course there are contaminants (old tanks leaking water, changing fuel types in tanks or transporters etc) which can further reduce RON ratings.

Given the above the BEST pump fuel you will get will probably be from a BIG forecourt of a REPUTABLE brand in a BUSY location.
Reason being: it starts out with the best margin, it is brought by their own tankers which only carry one fuel type in a designated tank (no changing of fuel types depending on where they are delivering what), less chance of ever changing fuel type in the forecourt storage tanks, sell a lot of fuel all of the time so little chance of fuel sitting long enough to go stale.

BTW, the above also applies to Maxol of course... they start with arguable the best RON rating in Ireland and factoring the extra margin built in for aging fuel, is why we probably see it perform near RON97 levels.

Keep in mind that the caloric value of fuel also influences MPG if anyone is wondering why you get less MPG out of Applegreen -- bio diesel (rapeseed based), bio ethanol and LPG have lower caloric values than normal diesel or petrol. Hence you need more of it to generate the same amount of energy (to move your car) and hence MPG will always be slightly worse with those fuels regardless of improved RON benefits (compared on same engine with tune for that fuel).

As stated before though... be careful about some forecourt owners getting cheap fuel from a different brand and retailing under the guise of brand A, but selling cheap brand X stuff.

Wagon Dec is on the money: Seeing that most stations at best supply RON95 is it worth tuning for, at best, RON97 with all the hassle for trying to get it and all the risk of getting a dodgy batch that is lower and does damage? I just got mine tuned for RON95 for convenience and peace of mind - and you know what... power is so good there's little in the difference to tune for another 1-2 RON.
 
Great info there Keadeen. If I was a member I'd give you a Karma for it!

I think on my next fill I'll try my local big Texaco on the N4 which is way more convenient than the Maxol and see how it feels on that fuel. If what people are saying is true and all petrol comes from same docklands depot and is legally required to be E5 now then I shouldn't see any difference.
 
For anyone with AVCS, it'd be worth finding out the MON rating of the fuel aswell. Not a major factor with low red lines but it's a considerable factor for me. With I-VTEC, VTC and high RPM capabilities the MON is important when you're going full tilt over prolonged time frames on the likes of a trackday. It's the MON rating that ensures proper combustion and no knock/detonation.
 
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