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akki
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i no its a lot of hassle runnin around to garages after a smash but a car is after all only a car and can be fixed. at least your family still have its healyh
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You are deadly right man....
i no its a lot of hassle runnin around to garages after a smash but a car is after all only a car and can be fixed. at least your family still have its healyh
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You are deadly right man....
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six spoke clive
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feckin wa*ker cant get outta the corolla
i would have left him there.
such a pri*k he must have felt when ya took the photo.
i would have left him there.
such a pri*k he must have felt when ya took the photo.
I think young men who want to drive fast should be encouraged to learn to drive fast very well. In my first car which was a polo i used to tear around back roads the whole time, i guess i was lucky nothing really bad ever happend though i did actually write that car off(no one else was involved). But id say if when i was learning to drive it i was taught how to read corners and how to really tell what is the fastest speed i could drive in any situation and still be safe the chances of killing other poeple have been a lot lower, not that i did kill anyone. Also I think the fact that most people dont know the advanced test exists or else dont care is really stupid, there is the whole issue of road death but the idea of actually trying to improve the average irish drives ability doesnt seem to be taken into account. I dont have the advanced test partially because i havent had a few hundred qiud to put twords it. I dont see why the government dont put money into it and encourage people to do it. I guess they barley encourage peopel to do their actual full license test.
Another thing i think the lack of tracks in ireland does give people a lot more reason to take the piss driving on back roads. I if there was a tracks closer to dublin, cork etc that had track days the whole time it would let the boy racer types aswell as men who want to drive there really fast cars really fast a better opertuinity to. I know Mondello has trackdays but only about 6 times a year and its far way and expensive etc.
Another thing i think the lack of tracks in ireland does give people a lot more reason to take the piss driving on back roads. I if there was a tracks closer to dublin, cork etc that had track days the whole time it would let the boy racer types aswell as men who want to drive there really fast cars really fast a better opertuinity to. I know Mondello has trackdays but only about 6 times a year and its far way and expensive etc.
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akki
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I think that the "L" plate is one of the most dangerous things here.
I mean in the past, when there was not so much traffic, it isn't such a big issue but still dangerous enough. But today with the high traffic volume, I think it is not a good idea.
In Germany you have to do driving school first. You have to have at least 26 theoretically classes. Each class takes at least 50 minutes.
You have to do all classes first before you are allowed to start the practical part of the driving education.
The practical driving lessons take at least 20 hours (This varies depending on what typr of license you gonna make e.g. bike + car takes more time). You have to have a certain number of driving lessons in the city (with heavy traffic), on national road and also on the Autobahn (fast traffic, to learn how to join the traffic onto the Autobahn). You also need a certain number hours driving in darkness (night time driving). After 10 hours you can apply for the theoretical exam. If you fail you can repeat 2 times within 14 days. If you fail the third time you have to wait at least 3 month bofore you can apply again. Have you passed the theoretical part you have 1 year time to do the practical exam. Same story again, you have 3 tries within 2 weeks.
You have to get a certificate in first aid before you can do the practical exam. You also need an eye-sight test from a certified doctor.
A driving license in Germany cost you at minimum 1600.- if you can make it with the minimum hours and you can pass all exams with the first try.
There is no such thing like a provisional license. You walk to the driving test and you walk back home if you fail.
The ADAC (German version of the AA) has regular safty lessons which you can attend to learn how to drive under certain situations. Off course you have safety lessons in the driving school, but to fresh up and to keep updated you can attand and get some more experience. This safety training cost you per day 130.- for members and 153.- for non-members.
Half day is driving physics and technics and half day is practical part where you take your car to a course with different surfaces. You learn sudden breaking under wet, slippery and dry conditions, sudden dodge etc. You also learn how your car reacts and how you can catch your car if it under- or over stears.
I think they should drop the "L" plate thingy to make traffic more safe.
Axel
I mean in the past, when there was not so much traffic, it isn't such a big issue but still dangerous enough. But today with the high traffic volume, I think it is not a good idea.
In Germany you have to do driving school first. You have to have at least 26 theoretically classes. Each class takes at least 50 minutes.
You have to do all classes first before you are allowed to start the practical part of the driving education.
The practical driving lessons take at least 20 hours (This varies depending on what typr of license you gonna make e.g. bike + car takes more time). You have to have a certain number of driving lessons in the city (with heavy traffic), on national road and also on the Autobahn (fast traffic, to learn how to join the traffic onto the Autobahn). You also need a certain number hours driving in darkness (night time driving). After 10 hours you can apply for the theoretical exam. If you fail you can repeat 2 times within 14 days. If you fail the third time you have to wait at least 3 month bofore you can apply again. Have you passed the theoretical part you have 1 year time to do the practical exam. Same story again, you have 3 tries within 2 weeks.
You have to get a certificate in first aid before you can do the practical exam. You also need an eye-sight test from a certified doctor.
A driving license in Germany cost you at minimum 1600.- if you can make it with the minimum hours and you can pass all exams with the first try.
There is no such thing like a provisional license. You walk to the driving test and you walk back home if you fail.
The ADAC (German version of the AA) has regular safty lessons which you can attend to learn how to drive under certain situations. Off course you have safety lessons in the driving school, but to fresh up and to keep updated you can attand and get some more experience. This safety training cost you per day 130.- for members and 153.- for non-members.
Half day is driving physics and technics and half day is practical part where you take your car to a course with different surfaces. You learn sudden breaking under wet, slippery and dry conditions, sudden dodge etc. You also learn how your car reacts and how you can catch your car if it under- or over stears.
I think they should drop the "L" plate thingy to make traffic more safe.
Axel
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CamoMo
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In my own opinion.....(and it's late) 
You can teach them every rule in the book - and they can understand it.
You can spend hours and hours training them, and they would know what to expect.
You can send them on one advanced driving lesson after another, and they'll know how to throw a car in, around and out of a corner.
You can charge them whatever price for insurance - and they'll pay it.
But forget one word for.....
Yourself and your own ability - or for....
The car car you drive, and how you drive it - or for....
The understanding of what your car can and can't do - or for....
The different conditions and situations you might be driving in - or for....
Other individuals on and off the road.
One shouldn't forget the word - RESPECT.
Once you lose the respect for life - life will lose the respect for you - it's that simple. Sometimes you lose - and sometimes the innocent go down with you.
We can all talk and talk and talk - but without any action (I like to call it "Personal Management") - we'll still be in the same position when everyone has nothing more to say.
Aren't all governments living proof of this already....!??!
Anyway, back to my point - when you drive, drive with some respect, not just for yourself, but for others on the roads around you. This is the only way you going to stop the death toll on roads. We can call them Boy Racers - but most of us have been them one way or another. Some of us learn - and will continue to do so. The rest - I think we'll call them idiots.
"So don't be an idiot - drive with respect"
Use it - don't use it - my meaningless point for the evening.
You can teach them every rule in the book - and they can understand it.
You can spend hours and hours training them, and they would know what to expect.
You can send them on one advanced driving lesson after another, and they'll know how to throw a car in, around and out of a corner.
You can charge them whatever price for insurance - and they'll pay it.
But forget one word for.....
Yourself and your own ability - or for....
The car car you drive, and how you drive it - or for....
The understanding of what your car can and can't do - or for....
The different conditions and situations you might be driving in - or for....
Other individuals on and off the road.
One shouldn't forget the word - RESPECT.
Once you lose the respect for life - life will lose the respect for you - it's that simple. Sometimes you lose - and sometimes the innocent go down with you.
We can all talk and talk and talk - but without any action (I like to call it "Personal Management") - we'll still be in the same position when everyone has nothing more to say.
Aren't all governments living proof of this already....!??!
Anyway, back to my point - when you drive, drive with some respect, not just for yourself, but for others on the roads around you. This is the only way you going to stop the death toll on roads. We can call them Boy Racers - but most of us have been them one way or another. Some of us learn - and will continue to do so. The rest - I think we'll call them idiots.
"So don't be an idiot - drive with respect"
Use it - don't use it - my meaningless point for the evening.
re: I think young men who want to drive fast should be encouraged to learn to drive fast very well.??? :noway:
lads it doesnt matter how good a driver you are, nobody knows whats round the next corner. a lot of drivers (not all mind you..?) just get into a car and think it will do whatever they want it to do. i dont think anyone should be allowed to drive unacompanied unless they have a full license, i guarantee you if you where drivin with yur ou'll fella beside you,you'd be more careful, theres too many high powered performance cars out there with inexperienced drivers in them. then when they crash, its always the same, i hit the brakes, i turned the wheel, itt came out of nowhere or i didnt see it (probably because they were doin mach f&*kin 2.!!)
dont mean to sound like a prude but its comin from experience of been in a few (not at faalt) smashes (including one drunk dirver.!!) that i think the whole driving test thingy should be completely re-jiggeed.
just think ahead, remember all the pain you could cause your families if anything happened to you and most of all dont ever think it will never happen to you.....!!!
jayzuz i'm gettin old..!! sorry lads but its the truth...!!
slan
papa smurf
lads it doesnt matter how good a driver you are, nobody knows whats round the next corner. a lot of drivers (not all mind you..?) just get into a car and think it will do whatever they want it to do. i dont think anyone should be allowed to drive unacompanied unless they have a full license, i guarantee you if you where drivin with yur ou'll fella beside you,you'd be more careful, theres too many high powered performance cars out there with inexperienced drivers in them. then when they crash, its always the same, i hit the brakes, i turned the wheel, itt came out of nowhere or i didnt see it (probably because they were doin mach f&*kin 2.!!)
dont mean to sound like a prude but its comin from experience of been in a few (not at faalt) smashes (including one drunk dirver.!!) that i think the whole driving test thingy should be completely re-jiggeed.
just think ahead, remember all the pain you could cause your families if anything happened to you and most of all dont ever think it will never happen to you.....!!!
jayzuz i'm gettin old..!! sorry lads but its the truth...!!
slan
papa smurf
When i meant be taught to drive fast well i kind of meant being taught to drive fast yet safely at the same time. Like the way people driving emergancy vehicles are taught to drive safley while driving fast and the advanced test teaches you to observe and react to hazzards before they are a problem, as opposed to getting them to sit the theory test and then letting htem teach themselves to drive.
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Also as your saying above with not thinking it will happen untill it happens to you or maybe someone you know well, its easy to say that when you get older and more responsible but its very hard to see when your young. I totally agree aswell that the whole driving system here should change. I dont see any harm in haivng a system like in europe where you cant really drive untill you have a full license and it could be a lot harder to get than the full license is here. But again i think people should be tuaght how to avoid having a crash while having fun driving a car hard.
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Also as your saying above with not thinking it will happen untill it happens to you or maybe someone you know well, its easy to say that when you get older and more responsible but its very hard to see when your young. I totally agree aswell that the whole driving system here should change. I dont see any harm in haivng a system like in europe where you cant really drive untill you have a full license and it could be a lot harder to get than the full license is here. But again i think people should be tuaght how to avoid having a crash while having fun driving a car hard.
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Norris!
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if you teach someone to drive fast safe, then they think that they can drive fast, which in turn means that they will drive fast more often because they 'know' how to drive fast, which in turn causes more accidents
You might be right at the same time maybe it is possible to teach people to be responsible and to drive resposnsibly. I jus think basically a lot of young lads drive very fast without the ability to do so safley, while obviously the slower you drive the safer it is within reason but a lot of people want to drive fast and it seems the police are unable to stop them so why not try and improve their ability and make them more responsible at the same time. At the same time it might be the case that they would think now im a racing driver i can drive as fast as i want and i cant crash..
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Norris!
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the problem is that they are too young, and have no years of driving experience, you could teach them and teach them but id guarantee that if it came to a situation were theyd have to use what they learned, they wouldn't be able to because they simple haven't got the driving experience. id say if you thought people that stuff after 6 - 7 years of driving they would be able to use those lessons to get them out of sticky situations but i simply believe that teaching people how to drive fast is just like saying 'Driving fast is ok as long as you've done this course and have driven for over X amount of years'
James deane the 15 year old who won the drifting.. He seems to have picked up a very advanced driving technique very young. Though his dad is a rally driver but still goes to show what people can do at a very young age. Id say he would be capable of keeping up on backroads with a lot of very experianced drivers.
I have been driving for about 5 years, I wouldnt consider myself a very good driver, not that im incompetant but more i think i could massivly improve my driving in many ways and i try to do this all the time. At the same time id say if i had actual training from the start by seriously good drivers in theory, observation and performance driving i think i would be a much better driver now.
I guess im over estimating people but i think its possible to teach people to be responsible drivers form an early age.
I have been driving for about 5 years, I wouldnt consider myself a very good driver, not that im incompetant but more i think i could massivly improve my driving in many ways and i try to do this all the time. At the same time id say if i had actual training from the start by seriously good drivers in theory, observation and performance driving i think i would be a much better driver now.
I guess im over estimating people but i think its possible to teach people to be responsible drivers form an early age.