Dagnut said:Why were there the Gardai on Horses? That king of thing instigates the behaviour...remember the last they took their badges off and laid into people with batons? got away with it too bang out of order.
adrianfa said:Dagnut said:Why were there the Gardai on Horses? That king of thing instigates the behaviour...remember the last they took their badges off and laid into people with batons? got away with it too bang out of order.
You've got a point, Dagnut, but it's not always that straight forward.
It's not funny when you're facing a mob, you just don't who's mixed up in the middle of a bunch of people who are genuinely protesting. I remember when I was at a road opening last year and the IFA came along to protest and some of the protestors starting throwing eggs at us. The group then ran down the side of an embankment and onto the piece of road the rest of us were on (they had been overhead on a bridge before that). I can tell you, that wasnt funny. I wasnt part of the reason the farmers were cut back on their payments, I was only doing my own job. Yet, I was part of the group who had eggs thrown at us.
People can protest all they want if they feel that way but i think the last 30-40 seconds of the clip says it all for me. That protestor at the end is giving off to the garda about what "your minister ????? the s*** out of us" and then says something like 'yeah, walk away'. That Garda didnt make any cutbacks, he's not in the government. Having worked for the county council for the last few years (I'm actually leaving them this week), it's really annoying when people blame you personally for all that has gone wrong. They should step back and think about other people besides themselves. It's crap that all these cut backs are happening, we all know that, but it is the incompetent government we have who are doing it, not the Garda on the street or someone working for a county council.
So when you've got a bunch of people who are upset about things like the above, there is a possibility that they will lash out at the wrong people and this is why you need horses and dogs at the ready. If they came near me I'd kick the sh*t out of them too. There is a difference between a peaceful protest and riot. What did they think was going to happen, did they think the Gardai were going to open the doors to the Dept of Finance and let them run around inside it? And then terrorise the ordinary workers in there?
Dagnut said:He didn't say "your minister" he said "your men" ..meaning Gardai where hitting people with batons which you could clearly see...no point in arguing with you your always going to defend the Gardai as you rightly should.... people should be also aware the 20 or people who got barricaded in the dept of finance also got a beating for their troubles.
Yeah the Gardai are only doing a job they are instructed to do and they are acting within the remits given by superiors, so I blame the senior officers not the ones doing the dirty work.

Hammie said:The guards reacted to the situation they where put in by people hijacking a peaceful protest
However there was some over reaction on their behalf
In all I will standup and say the guards aren't all too be tarred with the same brush!!! A small few over reacted and thought, I'll hot this 1 a few slaps and see what happens
The same way it was a small minority of protesters that kicked off the disturbances
The same way it's a small minority of Subaru drivers that race and mess on public roads getting us all bad names
Watching that clip above you could easily say there has been some 1 sided clever editing done to show the guards in a bad light! Equally with more clever editing I'm sure we could show the guards as completely innocent and the protesters all to. Be trouble makers
Dagnut said:Hammie said:The guards reacted to the situation they where put in by people hijacking a peaceful protest
However there was some over reaction on their behalf
In all I will standup and say the guards aren't all too be tarred with the same brush!!! A small few over reacted and thought, I'll hot this 1 a few slaps and see what happens
The same way it was a small minority of protesters that kicked off the disturbances
The same way it's a small minority of Subaru drivers that race and mess on public roads getting us all bad names
Watching that clip above you could easily say there has been some 1 sided clever editing done to show the guards in a bad light! Equally with more clever editing I'm sure we could show the guards as completely innocent and the protesters all to. Be trouble makers
They didn't edit in blood on peoples faces...