Oh no another post on E5

@ Matt: your damn right. regardless of which booster you use you'd probabley get about 25bhp extra when mapped to suit
@ Northdublin: As you know but others might not, Renno(Street Performance) supplies and recomends Lucas octane booster!
And Davelegacy (STI Tuning) supplies and recomends NF booster! Just check out the traders section on forum home page rather than searching through motor factors! I used to use lucas and I now use NF and I haven't noticed any differnce as each time the car was mapped to suit and the ECU in my car adapts itself the whole time anyway!! but I would defo use E5! Even if it isn't the full 99.2ron, As long as it's more than 95  :dance: :dance:

SUMMERY
NF and Lucas both definately work, unlike most other octane boosters on motor factors shelves!
Both cost about € 7 per tank of petrol
Both supposedly give similar results of around 2 RON extra
Both are easy to pour in to your petrol filler but niether have any meens of measurement, I use 100ml clear paint bottles from halfords!
Dan
 
As above matt a v5 ECU retards itself but won't advance itself on detection of better petrol so it would be totally in your head i'm afraid......


I don't work for maxol so have nothing to gain from saying that E5 vs 95ron that there is no contest...........

My mate "DAVE" threads are not good enough to erode the best fuel available in the republic of ireland at the moment........ Anyone saying different are IMO doesn't make sense......
 
what would using a full bottle of Lucas and E5 equate to Ron wise? Thats what ive been running my car on since ive got it
 
I theory it would be 95 + 4 Ron so 99ron!
But I don't think anyone has actually done testing on it to prove either way!
I'd say you are safe enough at that though! I imagen your ecu can adjust itself marginally to cope with any drops!
You want to get her mapped sooner rather than later though! Well worth it! :thumbsup:
Dan
 
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My mate "DAVE" threads are not good enough to erode the best fuel available in the republic of ireland at the moment........ Anyone saying different are IMO doesn't make sense......
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LOL You seem to always refer to it as a " your mate Dave" sais thread and as I said before this is Pat Herborn , Andy Forrest , Simon Norris , AI Autosport plus other respected people saying that E5 is not what is claimed. So hardly some no body called Dave ;)

People who fill there cars with E5 and think it feals better are victims of the placebo effect im afraid.

Claims that E5 and booster is the the equivalent or over 102 ron are false. E5 is NOT the best fuel if its not consistant and is NOT 102ron with booster.

Damo
 
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@ Northdublin: As you know but others might not, Renno(Street Performance) supplies and recomends Lucas octane booster!
And Davelegacy (STI Tuning) supplies and recomends NF booster! Just check out the traders section on forum home page rather than searching through motor factors! I used to use lucas and I now use NF and I haven't noticed any differnce as each time the car was mapped to suit and the ECU in my car adapts itself the whole time anyway!! but I would defo use E5! Even if it isn't the full 99.2ron, As long as it's more than 95 :dance: :dance:
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Your ECU can adapt to a certain degree but what happens if someone is using E5 on a classic ?

I also reccomend Lucas OR NF because like you say they both work. I dont mind which they use for mapping as long as they use one or the other. I wouldent say one is better then the other just because I sell one of them, nor would I test them out agaist eachother as is pointless if they both work as they are suppose to. Both are more then proven and Dave himself always used Lucas until a certain stage.

Damo
 
Well i'm only back in my car the weekend gone after 6 weeks. I'm using E5 and the engine is running like shite now. My car was being used while I was away so I'm not sure what fuel is in it now but I've been assured its E5. I think I might be reverting back to 95ron and octane booster again. I'll see what its like after I serviceit and change the plugs.
 
So could you sue Maxol for false advertising claiming their fuel is 99.2 if you got your car mapped to run on it, then your engine packs in as a result of running your car on a lower octane fuel?
 
Well lads,i had my car mapped by Andy,last year and she was mapped for 95+lucas,since the E5 stuff i have been running her on that and only twice have i had my knocklink flash up on me,so at the moment am a happy customer with E5.... :dunno:
 
Well to be fair! there is no better test than that!
If the knock link hasn't got a problem then surely there's no problem and that's a car mapped for 97 ron!

Quote from renno!
I also reccomend Lucas OR NF because like you say they both work. I dont mind which they use for mapping as long as they use one or the other. I wouldent say one is better then the other just because I sell one of them, nor would I test them out agaist eachother as is pointless if they both work as they are suppose to. Both are more then proven and Dave himself always used Lucas until a certain stage.

@ Damo: Is this "my mate dave"? :lol: :lol:
Welcome back by the way :thumbsup:

Dan
 
@Dave
I must see a psychiatrist about this promlem. It must be some kind of BHP filled hellucination. :p
 
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@Dave
I must see a psychiatrist about this promlem. It must be some kind of BHP filled hellucination. :p
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:lol: :lol:
 
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Well to be fair! there is no better test than that!
If the knock link hasn't got a problem then surely there's no problem and that's a car mapped for 97 ron!

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Thanks Dan good to be back.

What is a better test then that... :D Is by looking at how many degree's have to be pulled from an E5 map. Knocklinks are handy and do work sometimes but arent 100%. So really there would be better ways to test it.

E5 sounds like its better then 95ron or at least sometimes but it doesent add upto 102 ron with booster and im convinced that it isent the same as Tesco 99. Also Robs car should really be mapped for about 98ron as thats what half a bottle of Lucas was rated at rather then 97ron. And he has no DET issues with E5 which is good.

Rob maybe we could go for a spin in your car and let Pat have a listen and see what he thinks with E5 only compared to how it was on 95 plus booster.

Damo
 
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[quote author=forester sti link=topic=6967.msg81675#msg81675 date=1209582773]
Well to be fair! there is no better test than that!
If the knock link hasn't got a problem then surely there's no problem and that's a car mapped for 97 ron!

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Thanks Dan good to be back.

What is a better test then that... :D Is by looking at how many degree's have to be pulled from an E5 map. Knocklinks are handy and do work sometimes but arent 100%. So really there would be better ways to test it.

E5 sounds like its better then 95ron or at least sometimes but it doesent add upto 102 ron with booster and im convinced that it isent the same as Tesco 99. Also Robs car should really be mapped for about 98ron as thats what half a bottle of Lucas was rated at rather then 97ron. And he has no DET issues with E5 which is good.

Rob maybe we could go for a spin in your car and let Pat have a listen and see what he thinks with E5 only compared to how it was on 95 plus booster.

Damo


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Sure Damo anytime,you just let me know when suits... :thumbsup:
 
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My mate "DAVE" threads are not good enough to erode the best fuel available in the republic of ireland at the moment........ Anyone saying different are IMO doesn't make sense......
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LOL You seem to always refer to it as a " your mate Dave" sais thread and as I said before this is Pat Herborn , Andy Forrest , Simon Norris , AI Autosport plus other respected people saying that E5 is not what is claimed. So hardly some no body called Dave ;)

People who fill there cars with E5 and think it feals better are victims of the placebo effect im afraid.

Claims that E5 and booster is the the equivalent or over 102 ron are false. E5 is NOT the best fuel if its not consistant and is NOT 102ron with booster.

Damo
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Very true Damo.

When I had my sti spec-c I had it mapped by Pat Herburn through Damo for 95 plus lucas and then remapped by Bob Rawle through Dave for E5 plus nf I was very happy with both and do not favour one over the other. At the time my standard ecu was remapped using ecu tek which has very good knock control so any difference in the e5's octane rating would not really be noticed and would be safe cause of the ecu's knock control.

However I now have a tme rs which is running a forged 2ltr, piper cams and a fp green which is going to be highley tuned as most stand alone ecu's dont have the ability to pull timing like the factory ecu I am not going to run the risk with using E5.
After all I have had first hand information not from "my mate dave" as dave legacy said but highly respected tuners I know who's advice I will be taking.

By the way Dave can you map cars?
 
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My mate "DAVE" threads are not good enough to erode the best fuel available in the republic of ireland at the moment........ Anyone saying different are IMO doesn't make sense......
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By the way Dave can you map cars?
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I have one of Europes best mappers Mr Bob Rawle who has mapped at least 10-15 cars in last 2-3 months with E5 for us!

Some of them members here:

Eli Roche 2000 B4
Dan Forester 2006 sti Forester (constantly on track)
Mick Spec C S204
Funnyclub (don't think your spec c has had any new probs from its new owner :D)
STi TUNING Type R


i'll think of others....

Have not had one single issue only good results..........
 
My spec c never had any problems Dave.
Also dave all those cars are on standard ecu's are they going to know if their fuelling was not right and will it damage there engines most likely not.
 
Well they get drivin like subarus and if was likely to cause damage certainly would done so with a melted piston............
 
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Well they get drivin like subarus and if was likely to cause damage certainly would done so with a melted piston............
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Yes but as you know map leaving a margin for safety so it will probably never affect their cars cause the standard ecu's have fairly good knock control so will pull timing. But if your on a aftermarket ecu it wont pull timing you will still have the margin of safety left in there from the mapper but if the fuel drops below that you could be in serious trouble.

Anyway I am going with 95 plus booster in my car and it will still be a rocket so not really worried.
 
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