LISBON TREATY VOTE NO
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You are right Sweetcakes in that the UN refused to go and then the other EU countries decided not to go also but what I am saying is that with a High Representative there is a possibility and I mean possibility, no matter how unlikely or improbable, that an European army could be involved next time.
One person with that much power could be comprimised and then they could comprimise others and infulence the EU. Again, not saying it will happen, but it does give the possibility which isn't there currently.
Regarding myself being influenced by the "yes for jobs" posters, as I said I was initially influence but subsequently based my decision on the facts and my research
I'm not pushing either side here btw, just getting my 2cents out there in this debate
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and also we allow American troops to land here that would probably make us a target already.
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Agreed unfortunately
One person with that much power could be comprimised and then they could comprimise others and infulence the EU. Again, not saying it will happen, but it does give the possibility which isn't there currently.
Regarding myself being influenced by the "yes for jobs" posters, as I said I was initially influence but subsequently based my decision on the facts and my research
I'm not pushing either side here btw, just getting my 2cents out there in this debate
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and also we allow American troops to land here that would probably make us a target already.
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Agreed unfortunately
[quote author=Yogi link=topic=17731.msg224763#msg224763 date=1254148150]
And, as regards the jobs debate, voting ‘YES’ will not guarantee additional jobs in the short term, but voting ‘NO’ will most certainly guarantee that jobs will be lost in the long term!
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You're going to have to back that up with something there Yogi, otherwise you're just scare mongering like alot of the yes propaganda ( excuse my spelling
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And, as regards the jobs debate, voting ‘YES’ will not guarantee additional jobs in the short term, but voting ‘NO’ will most certainly guarantee that jobs will be lost in the long term!
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You're going to have to back that up with something there Yogi, otherwise you're just scare mongering like alot of the yes propaganda ( excuse my spelling
)In my line of work (contract engineering), over half our business comes from outside of Ireland - almost 40% from mainland Europe.
Another third, at least, comes from multi-national corporations who have chosen to invest in Ireland because we are in the EU and have a favourable corporate tax rate (Johnson & Johnson, Pfizers etc)
If Ireland votes NO to the Lisbon Treaty, many firms, particularly US multi-nationals, will think twice before investing further in Ireland. Its all about perception. They will think we want to leave the EU if we vote NO even though a NO vote means no such thing.
Foreign direct investment firms want to be assured that Ireland will remain solidly within and at the centre of the ongoing EU political debate
I cannot see how voting no will help employment in Ireland. We are not self sufficient on our own and do need foreign investments.
Another third, at least, comes from multi-national corporations who have chosen to invest in Ireland because we are in the EU and have a favourable corporate tax rate (Johnson & Johnson, Pfizers etc)
If Ireland votes NO to the Lisbon Treaty, many firms, particularly US multi-nationals, will think twice before investing further in Ireland. Its all about perception. They will think we want to leave the EU if we vote NO even though a NO vote means no such thing.
Foreign direct investment firms want to be assured that Ireland will remain solidly within and at the centre of the ongoing EU political debate
I cannot see how voting no will help employment in Ireland. We are not self sufficient on our own and do need foreign investments.
Ireland needs foreign investment to prosper and continue to grow but I don;t think that the irish people voting against the Lisbon treaty will affect this.
The only negative aspect of that I can see is that some companies will see Irish people as more aware and inquistive than other countries and might see that as a problem in employee's. IE, we are not blind sheep just following orders....
The big multi nationals come to our Island for a few reasons I can see, our low corporate tax rates, our young educated workforce, the english language ( like it or not! ) and the Euro. I see none of these changing with the implementation or rejection of the treaty.
The only thing I can see costing us jobs at the moment ( apart from corrupt bankers, here and in the US where it all started and our politicians consistantly bad decisions ) is our wages costs, we in Ireland are paid a large amount for our time and that affects foreign investment. Take Dell for instance, they have clearly lost business by moving most of their call centre to India but they have lowered their wages costs so much that their p&l sheet is up... simple economics
Companies don't care about politics or people, they care about share prices and windfalls. The IDA did a great job getting companies here but developers put house prices up and then peoples wages had to go up, so then everyone started to put prices up as people had more money and their suppliers put the prices up ect. ect. ect. this spiralled upwards to the property crash and now we have the situation we are in
The only negative aspect of that I can see is that some companies will see Irish people as more aware and inquistive than other countries and might see that as a problem in employee's. IE, we are not blind sheep just following orders....
The big multi nationals come to our Island for a few reasons I can see, our low corporate tax rates, our young educated workforce, the english language ( like it or not! ) and the Euro. I see none of these changing with the implementation or rejection of the treaty.
The only thing I can see costing us jobs at the moment ( apart from corrupt bankers, here and in the US where it all started and our politicians consistantly bad decisions ) is our wages costs, we in Ireland are paid a large amount for our time and that affects foreign investment. Take Dell for instance, they have clearly lost business by moving most of their call centre to India but they have lowered their wages costs so much that their p&l sheet is up... simple economics
Companies don't care about politics or people, they care about share prices and windfalls. The IDA did a great job getting companies here but developers put house prices up and then peoples wages had to go up, so then everyone started to put prices up as people had more money and their suppliers put the prices up ect. ect. ect. this spiralled upwards to the property crash and now we have the situation we are in