New fuel from Maxol (not E85)

Of course that list is for Australian models, and depending on what the exact issue is (?) maybe some Irish-spec turbo cars from other years/other models are unsuitable, or maybe not?  :dunno:

Just a thought ...
 
Well I'm going to try it in mine when I can get it. I know my car isn't an STi but Suabru offically state that 10% ethanol can be used in their engines. They wouldnt state that without being sure it was ok?
 
I really dont think maxol would replace it's 95 stuff with the E5 if it was going to loose any customers.and they are planning to do away with 95ron completely :dance:!!!!
so it has to be save! :pray:
Dan
 
what if your car is mapped for 95 and your using octane booster. could you use this stuff and forget about the booster?
 
It may be safe with the engines, but maybe not with all the turbo combinations? The Aussie website also states:

REASONS WHY E10 IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR SOME CURRENT MODELS

The Australian Design Rules (ADRs) are harmonised with international standards as specified in the UN ECE Regulations. The same requirements apply throughout the European Union. New vehicles certified to these standards will increasingly use advanced emission control technologies that strictly control the engine’s operating parameters and have therefore more stringent fuel quality requirements.

The maximum level of ethanol blended petrol in Europe is E5.

Depending on what markets certain models are sold in, Australian vehicles may be built to either a European specification (E5 compatible) or some other specification that is E10 compatible. This is the reason recommendations regarding E10 suitability will differ from one manufacturer to another.

The use of E10 petrol in vehicles that are E5 compatible may also result in material compatibility problems in the fuel system.
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So it sounds like Australian-spec and Irish-spec vehicles might have similar issues, and it goes on to explain:

REASONS WHY ETHANOL BLENDED PETROL IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR USE IN SOME OLDER VEHICLES

Introduction

The following information outlines the key reasons why vehicle manufacturers do not recommend the use of any ethanol/petrol blended fuels in vehicles made before 1986. This information is also applicable to post-1986 vehicles listed as unsuitable to use ethanol blended petrol.

Ethanol has a number of important chemical and physical properties that need to be considered in a vehicle's design.     

Carburettor Equipped Engines

Vehicles made before 1986 vehicles were predominantly equipped with carburettors and steel fuel tanks.

The use of ethanol blended petrol in engines impacts the air/fuel ratio because of the additional oxygen molecules within the ethanol's chemical structure.

Vehicles with carburettor fuel systems may experience hot fuel handling concerns. This is because the vapour pressure of fuel with ethanol will be greater (if the base fuel is not chemically adjusted) and probability of vapour lock or hot restartability problems will be increased.

As a solvent, ethanol attacks both the metallic and rubber based fuels lines, and other fuel system components.

Ethanol also has an affinity to water that can result in corrosion of fuel tanks and fuel lines. Rust resulting from this corrosion can ultimately block the fuel supply rendering the engine inoperable. Water in the fuel system can also result in the engine hesitating and running roughly.

Fuel Injected Engines

In addition to the issues mentioned above for carburettor equipped engines, the use of ethanol blended petrol in fuel injection systems will result in early deterioration of components such as injector seals, delivery pipes, and fuel pump and regulator.

Mechanical fuel injection systems and earlier electronic systems may not be able to fully compensate for the lean-out effect of ethanol blended petrol, resulting in hesitation or flat-spots during acceleration.

Difficulty in starting and engine hesitation after cold start can also result.

Exhaust And Evaporative Emission Levels

Lean-out resulting from the oxygenating effect of ethanol in the fuel may affect exhaust emissions.

Of more concern is that fuel containing ethanol can increase permeation emissions from fuel system components, particularly those that have aged for nearly 20 years. Therefore the increased vapour pressure of fuel with ethanol (if the base fuel is not chemically adjusted at the refining stage) will lead to increased evaporative emissions.
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[quote author=greenwagon link=topic=3466.msg36847#msg36847 date=1189802894]
It may be safe with the engines, but maybe not with all the turbo combinations? The Aussie website also states:

REASONS WHY E10 IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR SOME CURRENT MODELS

The Australian Design Rules (ADRs) are harmonised with international standards as specified in the UN ECE Regulations. The same requirements apply throughout the European Union. New vehicles certified to these standards will increasingly use advanced emission control technologies that strictly control the engine’s operating parameters and have therefore more stringent fuel quality requirements.

The maximum level of ethanol blended petrol in Europe is E5.

Depending on what markets certain models are sold in, Australian vehicles may be built to either a European specification (E5 compatible) or some other specification that is E10 compatible. This is the reason recommendations regarding E10 suitability will differ from one manufacturer to another.

The use of E10 petrol in vehicles that are E5 compatible may also result in material compatibility problems in the fuel system.
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So it sounds like Australian-spec and Irish-spec vehicles might have similar issues, and it goes on to explain:

REASONS WHY ETHANOL BLENDED PETROL IS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR USE IN SOME OLDER VEHICLES

Introduction

The following information outlines the key reasons why vehicle manufacturers do not recommend the use of any ethanol/petrol blended fuels in vehicles made before 1986. This information is also applicable to post-1986 vehicles listed as unsuitable to use ethanol blended petrol.

Ethanol has a number of important chemical and physical properties that need to be considered in a vehicle's design.

Carburettor Equipped Engines

Vehicles made before 1986 vehicles were predominantly equipped with carburettors and steel fuel tanks.

The use of ethanol blended petrol in engines impacts the air/fuel ratio because of the additional oxygen molecules within the ethanol's chemical structure.

Vehicles with carburettor fuel systems may experience hot fuel handling concerns. This is because the vapour pressure of fuel with ethanol will be greater (if the base fuel is not chemically adjusted) and probability of vapour lock or hot restartability problems will be increased.

As a solvent, ethanol attacks both the metallic and rubber based fuels lines, and other fuel system components.

Ethanol also has an affinity to water that can result in corrosion of fuel tanks and fuel lines. Rust resulting from this corrosion can ultimately block the fuel supply rendering the engine inoperable. Water in the fuel system can also result in the engine hesitating and running roughly.

Fuel Injected Engines

In addition to the issues mentioned above for carburettor equipped engines, the use of ethanol blended petrol in fuel injection systems will result in early deterioration of components such as injector seals, delivery pipes, and fuel pump and regulator.

Mechanical fuel injection systems and earlier electronic systems may not be able to fully compensate for the lean-out effect of ethanol blended petrol, resulting in hesitation or flat-spots during acceleration.

Difficulty in starting and engine hesitation after cold start can also result.

Exhaust And Evaporative Emission Levels

Lean-out resulting from the oxygenating effect of ethanol in the fuel may affect exhaust emissions.

Of more concern is that fuel containing ethanol can increase permeation emissions from fuel system components, particularly those that have aged for nearly 20 years. Therefore the increased vapour pressure of fuel with ethanol (if the base fuel is not chemically adjusted at the refining stage) will lead to increased evaporative emissions.
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Thats E10 not E5, there just saying E10 has a higher mix than E5 so its not suitable for some cars.
 
Have it in Manooth.Cheaper than normal petrol about 98c per ltr.Chap in garage wasent sure if ok to use without testing first.Once used cant go back to normal fuel.

:smokin:
 
[quote author=CARLO link=topic=3466.msg37167#msg37167 date=1190045818]
Have it in Manooth.Cheaper than normal petrol about 98c per ltr.Chap in garage wasent sure if ok to use without testing first.Once used cant go back to normal fuel.

:smokin:
[/quote]
why...what happens your car if you do
 
[quote author=WetPatch link=topic=3466.msg37163#msg37163 date=1190043866]
Thats E10 not E5, there just saying E10 has a higher mix than E5 so its not suitable for some cars.
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Ummm no, the list seems pretty specific about whether different models are unsuitable for either E5 or E10 (for example it says at the top that all Alfa Romeo models post 1998 are suitable for E5, but not for E10) and certainly seems to state that the specified Subaru models are unsuitable for either.  :dunno:

I don't claim any expertise in the petrochemical field (though I do have professional expertise in reading and interpreting documents), and it appears there should be no problem with my own car, but I'm simply suggesting caution to those with these and similar models until we understand more about this.

I wonder what Subaru Ireland have to say on the subject, or if they're aware of the issues???
 
Yes i know, but all the stuff u quoted there is about E10, im just saying. Also it would b stupid of Maxol to replace its normal 95 with E5 if its gonna fu*k up some cars.

Imagen ur normal joe soap who doesnt know better filling up and nackering his engine.

And Carlo i think the chap in the garage is speaking shite, there putting the E5 into the vats with 95 still in them so cant c how it would make a difference if u decided to switch back. I just wouldnt think it would b very health for ur ECU if u where constanly switching.
 
Maybe an e mail to Subaru Ireland could clear up the issue? After all they are the ones giving the 3 year warranties.

Frawls
 
[quote author=WetPatch link=topic=3466.msg37173#msg37173 date=1190050525]
all the stuff u quoted there is about E10[/quote]

The first part yes, but the second part seems less specific & is about potential problems with Ethanol, though presumably they'd be worse with E10?
 
That garage is were i get my fuel and they have e85 bio fuel which is what my car is maped for with no problems bar changeing the oil and fuel filter after a good run .It will be getting the E5 fuel in 2 weeks .You will need to map your car to run on this to get the benift of the higher ron rating and the higher oxygen content ,if your car is maped for 95ron .


Philip
 
[quote author=CARLO link=topic=3466.msg37167#msg37167 date=1190045818]
Have it in Manooth.Cheaper than normal petrol about 98c per ltr.Chap in garage wasent sure if ok to use without testing first.Once used cant go back to normal fuel.

:smokin:
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dude thats e85 your talking about..not safe to run!!
 
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